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traces of the slack wax Dmitrovlage / Dmitlage or oboguev lie engaged

In Round: data memorialtsev against myths avmalgin -and

(where avmalgin eventually "merged", having been caught in a lie "Kanal Moscow-Volga. herded from across the country 200.000 prisoners, snatched them from their families, from the familiar life, have killed half of them to overwork (the corpses were not buried and trampled in the mud), but for the record time to build a giant structure. ", writing eventually
" And this is a provocation. I was interested : ...")

I drew attention to how oboguev kopipast engaged and conclusions makes From: [info] oboguev Date: February 21, 2011 04:10 am none (UTC)

First oboguev gives quote from the article "On the bones" , author Sergei BAYMUHAMETOV
http://www.mospravda.ru/issue/2008/12/20/article15484/
Here is what Sergey wrote BAYMUHAMETOV
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The certificate Medical Division

Gulag in black and white: "The average mortality rate in the camps of the Gulag was 15,7 percent with vibrations ...» That by 1933 , just in time create Dmitlaga.

Hence, Dmitlage with its population of 1200000 for five years, died 190,000 people . Not counting the shot.
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Note that Sergei BAYMUHAMETOV takes 1933 and takes 15,7 as constant value. Where people 1200000 taken - it is not clear. What is clear is that Sergei BAYMUHAMETOV not even asked, varied Does the value or not. Oboguevu is no interest - he concludes (before that, about a couple of snippets from an article giving):

"... The assumption that mortality under similar conditions was (0.9%) than in the modern healthy population should be considered improbable, and the data of the NKVD - obviously unreliable. And it can be seen without thinking, immediately and certainly. You do not even need to be aware of the condition and status of the archives of the NKVD ... "

Note that (0,9 percent) to asaetsya but 1937go year and abs. numbers, which are made on the mountain memorialets Perov, is 1068 people.

However Oboguev do not notice this and intentionally lies, citing as proof of his thesis .. .1933 year!!!, giving here is this quote
" 1933

average mortality rate in the camps of the Gulag was 15,7 percent varying from 10 percent in Belbaltlage to 34.6 percent in Vishlage and 27 percent in Sazlage. Above-average mortality camp prisoners was Karlag (18,7), Solovki (18,1), Dmitrovlage (17,2), Siblag (16,1) Svirlage (15,8) 4.

VG Timofeev. Penal system in Russia: figures, facts and events
moshkow.library.kr.ua / cgi-bin / html-KOI.pl / PRAWO / timofeew.txt "

I looked at the link on Timofeeva: ba again taking a demagogue - emasculation quotes - the main points did not reflect that, not to mention the fact that there Timofeeva same data for other years it!
First Look, what are Timofeeva values are:
" 1933 city



In the camps of the Gulag died 67.297 concluded that in 5,1 times more than in 1932, including separate camps: Belbaltlag - 8870 people, more than in 3,9 times, Solovetsky - 3482 man Svirlage - 6623 man Siblag - 7,736 people, more than in 7,5 times, Dallage - 4,095 people, more than a 12.2-fold, Karlag - 3,454 people, more than a 10.2-fold, Sazlage 4,766 people Temlage - 4,578 people, more than 4,2 times, Bamlage - 4,768 people, Dmitrovlage - 8873 Human and other camps - 10,052 people.



average mortality rate in the camps of the Gulag was 15.7 percent, ranging from 10 percent in Belbaltlage to 34.6 percent in Vishlage and 27 percent in Sazlage. Above-average mortality camp prisoners was Karlag (18,7), Solovki (18,1), Dmitrovlage (17,2 ), Siblag (16,1) Svirlage (15,8) 4.

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" 1934 ., October-December



in GULAG camps received 88.917 people, including the following: from the Moscow region. - 9935, Leningrad - 5264, Ivanovo - 2556, West - 2354, Voronezh and Kursk - 3391, Sverdlovsk - 2595, Chelyabinsk - 1910, Ob-Irtysh - 327, Western-Siberian Region - 6801, East-Siberian - 1446, the Far East - 1996 Azov-Black Sea and the North - 6483, Srednevolzhskaya - 3263, Stalingrad - 1841, Saratov - 2840, Gorky - 2918, North - 1212, Tatar ASSR - 2593, Bashkirian USDA - 2612, the Crimean Autonomous Republic - 577, Kazakh SSR - 2260, the Kirghiz SSR - 248, Ukrainian SSR - 14,074, Byelorussian SSR - 673, ZSFSR - 2475, Uzbek SSR, Turkmen SSR and Tajik SSR - 4469 chelovek4.



In 1934, the camps of the Gulag died 26.295 prisoners, including those in the camps: the Belbaltlage - 1631, Svirlage - 3201, Siblag - 1504, Dallage - 1746, Karlag - 781, Sazlage - 1727 , Temlage - 1386, Bamlage - 5843, Dmitrovlage - 6041 , other camps - 2435 chelovek5.

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1935, January 1,



The system operated 15 of the NKVD camps, including: Dmitrovlag (construction Moscow-Volga Canal) - 192,649 people; ....
total in the aforementioned camp held 731,843 inmates. In these statistics do not include 9,756 people who were en route in these camps one .....
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1935



in prison for the year 32,659 people died, including in prisons and jails - 4331, the camps - 28,328 chelovek3, among them: in Belbaltlage - 1362, Svirlage - 3887, Siblag - 2712, Dallage - 1076, Karlag - 634, Sazlage - 1904, Temlage - 2908, Bamlage - 6952, Dmitrovlage - 4349 and other camps - 2544 cheloveka4.


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1936



in prison Freedom for the year 26,479 prisoners had died, including: the colonies and prisons - 5,884 in the camps - 20,595 people, including a Belbaltlage - 1298, Svirlage - 1928, Siblag - 1715, Dallage - 2081, Karlag - 933, Sazlage - 1213, Temlage - 1457, Bamlage - 3372 , Dmitrovlage - 2472 , Volgolage - 522, Norilsklage - 45 other camps - 3559 chelovek5.


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1937



a year in the camps, colonies and prisons died 33.449 people, including in prisons and jails - 8123, the camps - 25,376 of them: in Belbaltlage - 2271, Svirlage - 295, Siblag - 2351, Dallage - 4004, Karlag - 1128, Sazlage - 1764, Temlage - 1352, Bamlage - 2306, Dmitrovlage - 1068 , Volgolage - 471, Norilsklage - 75, Ivdellage - 631, Kargopollag - 336, Lokchimlage - 915, other camps - 6409 people 4.

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1938



For the year as detention 126,585 people died, including: the colonies and prisons - 36,039 in camps - 90,546 people, among them: in Belbaltlage - 3945, Siblag - 5810, Dallage - 3652, Karlag 1337, Sazlage - 4703, Temlage - 571, Bamlage - 16.459, Dmitrovlage - 39, Volgolage - 1381, Norilsklage - 93, Ivdellage - 2145, Kargopollag - 4490, Lokchimlage - 3026, Sevzheldorlage - 2344, Tayshetlage - 3076, Uhtizhemlage - 4068, Kraslag - 1183, Sevurallage - 910 and other camps - 31,314 people 2.
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If we now compare the data with the data in Timofeeva post Dyukova on memorialtsu Petrov it turns out that data - are the same.

Ie Oboguev, Tipo recalling and contrasting words - lied . If only he Sergei BAYMUHAMETOVA article cited - was would be half a disaster. Mol oboguev hit a mine laid BAYMUHAMETOVYM. But he himself gives the references where the data in the post Dyukova - podverzhdayutsya.

PS Dyukov gave here offhand assessment of natural and extraordinary mortality Dmitlage.